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A talk show for Australian marriage celebrants

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The one where we throw eggs at Sarah's house
<p>Get your eggs ready folks, for once Sarah Aird says something controversial. Don't worry though, anything she said is not as bad as whatever Josh has to say.</p><p>This episode is all about money, how much celebrants charge, why they charge what they charge, and we touch on the topics of price-fixing in the celebrant industry and why marriage celebrants should charge cold hard cash for the wedding ceremonies they perform. Show notes below.<br /></p><p><strong>Ad:</strong> If invoicing and getting invoices paid is killing you deep down inside where brides and grooms should never reach, trial <strong><a href="https://celebrant.fm/freshbooks" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Freshbooks</a></strong> for 60 days for free and have invoices sent automatically, and your clients can even pay their invoices with credit card - it's all built-in! <strong><a href="https://celebrant.fm/freshbooks" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">celebrant.fm/freshbooks</a></strong> to get the 60 day free trial for podcast listeners only!<br /></p><p>Show notes and links:</p><ul dir="ltr"><li><p>Annual marriages reached new low <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/an-industry-in-need-to-help-marriage-falls-to-alltime-lows-20171128-gzufqm.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/an-industry-in-need-to-help-marriage-falls-to-alltime-lows-20171128-gzufqm.html</a></p><ul><li><p>Actual data cubes: <a href="http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3310.0" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3310.0</a></p></li><li><p>Victoria the culprit for the more than usual late registration of marriages - it was up to 10 weeks post-marriage date in summer 2015-2016</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Pricing, thanks to Karen Cramer for sending in a voicemail</p></li><li><p>Price fixing links:</p><ul><li><p><a href="http://s.bl-1.com/h/Vz25MHh?url=http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2004038.htm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2004038.htm</a></p><ul dir="ltr"><li><p><a href="http://s.bl-1.com/h/Vz25X4m?url=http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/celebrant-faces-charges-over-fixing-funeral-costs/2007/03/29/1174761671405.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/celebrant-faces-charges-over-fixing-funeral-costs/2007/03/29/1174761671405.html</a></p></li><li><p><a href="http://s.bl-1.com/h/Vz25Shk?url=https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/accc-alleges-attempted-price-fixing-in-funeral-celebrants-market" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/accc-alleges-attempted-price-fixing-in-funeral-celebrants-market</a></p></li><li><p><a href="http://s.bl-1.com/h/Vz26cTo?url=https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/penalties-for-funeral-celebrants-attempted-price-fix" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/penalties-for-funeral-celebrants-attempted-price-fix</a></p></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul><p><strong>On pricing, by Dally Messenger:</strong></p><p>When Funeral Celebrants began in 1974, they inherited a culture.</p><p>The Funeral Director was in charge of the dignified disposal of the body.</p><p>The Church was in charge of the ceremony.</p><p>Funeral Directors ingratiated themselves with the clergy, because the clergy gave them work. As they presided at the last rites, the priest would recommend the Funeral Director who best understood that church’s ceremonial routine.</p><p>The clergy were the rulers of the roost - what they said went.</p><p>But the clergyman, strictly speaking, was not paid. He received a small amount of money as a gift - known as a stipend, It was presumed that the dead person had well and truly paid for his funeral in advance by his weekly offerings when he attended church.</p><p>Then came civil celebrants - who had not been paid “in advance” and who did not do, could not do, a “one size fits all” ceremony as the clergy had done.</p><p>But the Funeral Directors only paid celebrants the clergy “stipend”.</p><p>After the initial joy and sense of achievement had passed, many celebrants realised they could not pay the bills. Two things happened. Many celebrants ceased doing the work. Others lowered their standards of preparation and delivery. In Australia most of us had weddings to fall back on. A few who had private means kept a high standard and still do.</p><p>While this was happening a group of celebrants, of which I was part, politely confronted the better Victorian Funeral Directors and argued that we, in justice, should be paid more than the clergy. Two firms agreed - a Rob Allison of John Alison Monkhouse and Des Tobin of Tobin Bros Funerals. They gave us about double the clergy stipend. For a long while, funeral celebrancy in Victoria flourished.</p><p>But Victoria is but one state in Australia - and in the other states the funeral celebrants lacked political will, and to this day they only receive the clergy “stipend”.</p><p>Church attendance, however, has declined dramatically so the clergy (about 20% of funerals, we are 80%) have been demanding more.</p><p>The field is full of developments - not the least of which has been the takeover of most of the small funeral firms by the big corporation Invocare, whose one ideal is profit according to the norms of why corporations exist. In NSW there is now a campaign to have “the family” prepare and deliver the funeral to make their bill look less and to exercise their power ( They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on TV advertising every day.).</p><p>In 1997, after I was paid $150 for a celebrity funeral that took about 50 hours to prepare and deliver and had 8500 people attending, I started a “Contact the Celebrant first” campaign and declared that I would only work for an hourly rate, from that moment on.</p><p>Needless to say, the Funeral Directors (except for one or two) blacklisted me and much more.</p><p>So I only dealt with my own constituency (people whom I knew and for whom I had performed ceremonies). I was up front about an hourly rate and a ball park figure.</p><p>I averaged $1500AUD (850 GBP) to $2000AUD (1130 GBP) per funeral. I am mostly retired now but I averaged 2 per month for a long while - one month I did 5. As I have always had an income from weddings I never became worried.</p><p>An hourly rate is fair - my clients have never given me a complaint - the general public is not the problem - the funerals directors are, and it is not only money it is a question of power.</p><p>A final note - I nearly always perform 90% of a funeral ceremony at a venue away from the Crematorium. I average an hour to an hour and a quarter per ceremony - I think a good life deserves a worthy tribute, and I see the funeral service as a very serious responsibility.</p>
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The only podcast banned by the AFCC!
<p>Welcome to the only podcast that's officially banned by the Australian Federation of Civil Celebrants. We'd like to thank our families and our industry colleagues for supporting us thus far!</p><p>Seriously though, here's another sweet podcast episode, enjoy!</p><ul><li>Emily asks for a podcast episode with top tips for new celebrants, we'll release it soon!</li><li><a href="https://www.ag.gov.au/FamiliesAndMarriage/Marriage/marriagecelebrants/Documents/Marriage-Celebrant-Matters-Spring-Summer-2017-18.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Marriage celebrant matters</a>, the AGD newsletter is out and boy is it fun/boring. We deliver a blow by blow recap of this industry-defining PDF file.</li><li><a href="http://www.coalitionofcelebrantassociations.org.au" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">CoCA</a> comments <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/we-dont-want-the-right-to-discriminate-against-samesex-couples-say-civil-celebrants-20171121-gzpqhy.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">"we don't want the right to discriminate" in the SMH</a></li><li><a href="/contact">Send in your feedback</a> - why are you, or are you not, a member of an association</li><li>The Marriage Act (legislation) has not changed yet, so we can't accept notices (NOIMs) for same sex couples until the marriage act allows us to.  On the 23rd of November the current statement is "celebrants are currently not able to accept a Notice of Intended Marriage (NOIM) from same-sex couples."</li><li>BDM (Births, Deaths and Marriages) chat on the new Queensland BDM online marriage registration system, NSW's Lifelink and Victoria's Marriages online, and why you might want to, or not use them. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/celebrantfm/posts/1012471032237179" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Facebook post to the new forms in beta release from the Qld BDM.</a> When the new Qld BDM online system goes live, you'll access it <a href="https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/services/registrations/serviceprovider/home" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">here</a>.</li></ul>
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I've never seen marriage paperwork fly like that
<p><strong></strong>​Two marriage celebrants with wedding hangovers bring you this November 6 episode of the Celebrant Talk Show,</p><p dir="ltr">In follow-up Evie writes in on the topic of titles for the individuals booking celebrants, and Sean asks how does Josh sign marriage paperwork on an iPad.</p><p dir="ltr">Topics covered in this talk show</p><ul><li dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">AFCC advertising in the "Qantas magazine".</p></li><li dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">Stat dec required for proof of date and place of birth.</p></li><li dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">Listing your pricing and packages live on your website for the public to see.</p></li><li dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">WTF?!? “CoCA does not support the September 2017 guidelines and position paper on the Conflict of Interest and Benefit to Business because the Policy does not uphold the professionalism of celebrants and the consultation process was flawed.”</p></li></ul><strong></strong>
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I'm not a scientist, it's way above my pay-grade
<p>Josh gets slammed for attempting to secretly rebrand his business, Sarah discusses how marriage equality will change everything and nothing for civil marriage celebrants, the AGD's biggest job is trying to figure out how to politely name the two parties to the marriage on forms, and that's our problem as well. Welcome to episode 2 of the all new celebrant.fm</p>
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We accidentally started a podcast (11 October 2017)
<p>Josh and Sarah start a marriage celebrant talk show. This episode we talk about the changes to the conflict of interest guidelines.</p>
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